Thursday, June 05, 2008

Pastoral Ministry

BLUE'S BROTHERS MOVIE

IF YOU CAN DO SOMETHING ELSE OTHER THAN PASTORAL MINISTRY, DO IT? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN Part two
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If you read the two post suggested from the last post, this post is in response to the statement by Spurgeon.

  • He said, "If you can do something else other than pastoral ministry, do it."
  • I think this flows from Spurgeon's Lectures to my students...

    "If any student in this room could be content to be a newspaper editor, or a grocer, or a farmer, or a doctor, or a lawyer, or a senator, or a king, in the name of heaven and earth let him go his way ; he is not the man in whom dwells the Spirit of God in its fullness, for a man so filled with God would utterly weary of any pursuit but that for which his inmost soul pants. If on the other hand, you can say- that for all the wealth of both the Indies you could not and dare not espouse any other calling so as to be put aside from preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ, then, depend upon it, if other things be equally satisfactory, you have the signs of this apostleship. We must feel that woe is unto us if we preach not the gospel; the word of God must be unto us as fire in our bones, otherwise, if we undertake the ministry, we shall be unhappy in it, shall be unable to bear the self-denials incident to it, and shall be of little service to those among whom we minister. I speak of self-denials, and well I may; for the true pastor's s work is full of them, and without a love to his calling he will soon succumb, and either leave the drudgery, or move on in discontent, burdened with a monotony as tiresome as that of a blind horse in a mill."

    But as for you, brother, do not grow weary of doing good.
    2Thess 3:13

In response to two posts about which you can link to, flows this response:

MY PERSONAL REFLECTION ON THE FOOLISHNESS OF PREACHING, AND BEING IN MINISTRY

"If you can do something else other than pastoral ministry, do it." That is a fine statement. I heard that statement forty years ago. What does it mean?

My heart's desire from a young boy has been to preach and teach and learn God's Word. I have had no other desire other than to serve the Lord through the ministry in a local church. But had I not learned to do something else other than preaching and teaching, we might have starved.

In those early years, I believed if I went to Seminary, and received my necessary training, I would be able to spend my life's work in ministry, and be able to support my family through the work of ministry. Charity said tonight, "By the world's standards and thinking we would be considered stupid and a failure." I really never believed in those early years I would have to learn another trade to support my family.

The fact has been over the last forty years, I have been bi-vocational, I have had a second occupation to help support our family. I have not known how it really felt to just preach and teach in a local church for more than two years. Somewhere in the process of training, I missed the classes that taught the principles of ministry whereby you could have enough income to support your family just by preaching and teaching. Thousands do it all the time.

I have heard enough of those financial schemes whereby you can make money in businesses -- How to make your first million dollars in three easy steps. I read those books how to be successful in business. Wear the right kinds of suits. I even read those positive thinking books by Peale. One pastor gave me a $400 program how to make money. I listened to, who is that guy in FBC of Dallas. "See You At the Top." Oh, Zig Ziglar, twenty-five years ago wrote that book.

The problem has been, I have really never been interested in making money. I WANTED TO PREACH AND TEACH THE WORD OF GOD. I have never wanted to learn another trade. I have always resented the idea of learning to do something else other than preaching and teaching and working in the local church with young people and adults.

Even when I have had the opportunity to stay in the secular world and work in another business, I have rejected that desire to do so. I believe I have had the ability to do something else other than preaching, had I been inclined to do so.

On several occasion I have said to Charity, "Had I stayed at that job (s), I could have been retired with a good income." But I left that job to take a position in a local church doing what I loved doing. I have left good paying jobs with a good future to take a pastoral job where the income was not enough to live on. Why would I do that? Charity has had several jobs early in her life that if she had stay she could have had a lifetime retirement. And I pulled her away to go to take a church making thirty-five dollars a week. What is up with that? What was I thinking? Goodness.

I remember in Seminary I had a rather good job and an opportunity came for me to be a Youth Pastor in a church in Northern Ohio. I had just married Charity, and we left Texas and drove to Ohio for this wonderful opportunity to start our life in ministry in a local church. When we arrived, we learned our salary would be fifty dollars a week. Why would we stay? Why didn't I learn in Ministry 101 you don't take a position in a church for fifty dollars a week? What was I thinking? I soon realized Charity and I couldn't live on that amount, so I took a job stocking groceries at Hawkins Market. I hated every minute of this job. In a few months the youth class was growing and doing so good, I believed I could quit the job and felt I should, and I did. I went home and told Charity, and Charity said, "Charles, we are going to have a baby." Well, great! And it was wonderful. But I had just quit my job, and now we were back to fifty dollars a week when Charity had to leave her job. (So I worked with a carpenter in the church, helping him knock down an old Amish barn in January and February up in Northern Ohio.) Where did I learn that principle? "If you can do something else, do it, but stay out of ministry." Maybe!

So the principle I had "stay out of the secular jobs and the Lord will take care of you and your family." Where did the Lord say "Stay out of the secular job world?" But I have had this mental block in my head about doing anything other than learning and preaching and teaching and ministering to people. It's been my Achilles' heel forever.

I have yet to get over the mental blockage that tells me I need to be in a local church ministering as the Lord has called me to do. Or at least that is what I have always felt for the last forty-five years. And for the last forty-five years I have worked in another job alongside doing the work in the local church.

Somewhere along this process of learning, I failed to get the education that would have given me the skills and ability in the secular world.

I sit and hear a lot of those who have much in the way of things in life. Live in a 5,000 sq. feet house, drive a SUV 2008, have a savings account over 15,000 dollars, and make plus 250,000 a year. Some are preachers. What is up with that? It's great! Praise the Lord.

A friend of dad and mom who lived in Lynchburg, VA, said to me, "Charles, you need to stay with the Southern Baptist and you will be able to have a great retirement". She was right. Did I do that? Of course, not. What was I thinking?

WHAT WAS I THINKING?

I might continue this article….

THE DESIRE FOR PASTORAL MINISTRY AND THE FOOLISHNESS OF PREACHING



TWO POSTS ABOUT THE FOOLISHNESS OF PREACHING AND THE DESIRE OF PASTORAL MINISTRY AND THEN MY PERSONAL JOURNAL IN THE MINISTRY

The Foolishness of Preaching


He said, "If you can do something else other than pastoral ministry, do it."

PART ONE

Wednesday, June 04, 2008

LET THE CAMPAIGN BEGIN 2008

PHOTO FROM FOX NEWS THIS MORNING.


Mr. Obama clinches Democratic nomination, making him the first African-American presidential candidate of a major party. Mrs. Clinton had tried with all her might to stop him. She still has not admitted she has lost.


I was so surprise how many Christians are Democratic. Can that be? Some very good people I know are Democratic in principles. Can that be Biblical?


Maybe that is why so many Christian Democrats were so worried about Mr. Obama. But I would be just as worried about Mrs. Clinton and her policy.


Mr. Obama mention he is a "Christian" and said, "God bless American." IS HE? And Mrs. Clinton says she is a "Christian" as well. Have you noted that many people say they are?


HOW CAN WE KNOW? CAN YOU KNOW? SHOULD WE KNOW IF THOSE WHO WE KNOW ARE A "BIBLICAL CHRISTIAN?"

Check back later, I need to take Charity to work.........

Tuesday, June 03, 2008

FRIENDS FROM THE PAST

THE ROANOKE BAPTIST TEMPLE YOUTH GROUP OUTLING

Today I received an email from one of these young people in the pictures. I can't remember if this picture was taken in 1964 or 1965, in Roanoke Virginia. (I have not connected my scanner, when I do I will have a better picture to show. )
I have not heard from Al and Barbara Myers since by father died in 1966. While I often think of these young people and those days as Youth Pastor of the church, I have not seen them since dad died. Today I heard from Al and Barbara Myers. What a wonderful blessing. What is more blessed is that they are involved in their local church in NJ.
My sister Ellen is in this picture, and my brother Don is too. Melvin Gray who paid for the trip has passed away some years ago. If you know any of these young people I would like to know where they are and what they are doing today.

THE CHRISTIAN’S PRAYER



Move, I beg You, upon my disordered heart

(A Puritan Prayer)

O Holy Spirit,
Move, I beg You, upon my disordered heart.

Take away my unruly desires and hateful lusts.
Lift the mists and darkness of unbelief. Brighten
my soul with the pure light of truth. Make it . . .
fragrant as the garden of paradise,
rich with every goodly fruit,
beautiful with heavenly grace,
radiant with rays of divine light.
Be my . . .
comforter,
light,
guide,
sanctifier.

Take of the things of Christ and show them to my
soul. Through You may I daily learn more of His . . .
love,
grace,
compassion,
faithfulness,
beauty.
Lead me to the cross and show me . . .
His wounds,
the hateful nature of evil,
the power of Satan.

May I there see my sins as . . .
the nails which transfixed Him,
the cords which bound Him,
the thorns which tore Him,
the sword which pierced Him.

Help me to find in His death--the
reality and immensity of His love.

Open for me the wondrous volumes of truth in His
death. Increase my faith in the clear knowledge of . . .
atonement achieved,
redemption completed,
guilt done away,
my debt paid,
my sins forgiven,
my soul saved,
hell vanquished,
heaven opened,
eternity made mine.

O Holy Spirit, deepen in me these saving lessons.
Write them upon my heart, that my walk be . . .
sin-loathing,
sin-fleeing,
Christ-loving.A

Monday, June 02, 2008

PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY


Having received this QuickNotes from John G. Miller, the content fits my article on what to do about the high rise of gasoline prices. Part Three

QBQ! (The Question Behind the Question) QuickNote

QBQ! QuickNotes™ may be forwarded by email to others or printed in their entirety for personal and group use. © QBQ, Inc. 2008. All rights reserved.

The ultimate system of personal accountability? A supply and demand based economy. What a great place to live and prosper.

And the crowd said AMEN!

Have you ever voted with your feet? Sure, we all have. Tough steak? Pass up that restaurant next time. Uncomfortable, lumpy bed? Skip that hotel chain. Clothes that shrink 30% with the first wash? Drop that brand. Gasoline at $4/gallon???

Drive less. Drive differently. Drive something different.

Yep, we can whine and complain about the price of gas and blame those "greedy, evil oil company executives" with their ginormous compensation packages and corporate profits. Or we can have the heated political debate of "to drill or not to drill" in the pristine areas of our land. Or—if we dare—we can recognize our personal accountability in it all.

Let's see, remembering my Economics 101 class at Cornell University 30 year ago, it went something like this: When demand is higher than supply, prices go up. When demand slacks, sellers everywhere, not wanting to miss business, lose customers, and see revenues drop, lower their prices.

And no matter the product, this truth applies. Ever complained about the culture-destroying garbage put out by Hollywood?

Well, someone's buying it. Wonder why an iPhone costs so darn much? Someone's buying it. Feeling angry over gasoline prices rising every single day for a month? Guess what? You and I are buying it.

You might say, "But, John, I have no choice but to buy gas." For the most part, true. But the accountability piece is all about me asking myself, "How do my choices affect the current situation and what can I do to change my choices?" Recently a favorite neighbor pulled up along my wife and I while we were taking a Tuesday morning walk. Her SUV looked great. Shiny, clean—like new! We asked, "Where've you been, Susan?" She responded, "I needed my Starbucks!!!"

Well, I'm sure Starbucks is pleased with their powerful draw—the ability to suck people out of their homes on a weekday morning for an 8 mile round trip for a caramel frappachino—but multiply our nice neighbor's choice a million-fold and—excuse me!?—who do we blame??? Oh, yes, those bad, bad oil company execs, our legislators, and the man in the Oval Office.

The truth is, by their very nature, economies are cyclical. They are monstrous, dynamic organisms comprised of hundreds of millions of consumer choices—people everywhere living a life of volition, or said differently, exercising their free will in a free country built on a fantastic idea called capitalism. Very rarely is anyone "at fault." Unless maybe, just maybe, we are responsible. You see, our choices are often cyclical. For many, it's excess followed by belt tightening followed by excess followed by budget cutting, and so on. And somewhere in the cycle things get out of hand—both for the economy and in our personal world—and we start buying the lie that's it's not about us and our personal decisions. So we blame, play victim, point fingers, whine and complain.

But we don't have to travel that route. We can take the high road where citizens everywhere demand of themselves ownership of individual choices, because it's through our own choices that we—you and I—are actually in control of it all. The power of personal choice is simply amazing. So, today, let's vote with our feet and walk the accountable path. It could make all the difference.
AMEN.


P.S. You know what? I think today, I just might park my truck and choose to go on eBay to re-purchase the neon orange 49cc Honda Express scooter I rode to those Cornell classes in the late 1970s. Looking back, a zillion miles per gallon was a good thing.


John G. Miller

Author of QBQ! and Flipping the Switch



Sunday, June 01, 2008

Pyromaniacs: Spurgeon: Read fewer blogs, more Scripture


Pyromaniacs: Spurgeon: Read fewer blogs, more Scripture

Some things never change. There are always some things that can keep us from the Word.
The Word is the Life Line to Jesus Christ.

The principles of the Word are to be in the make up of your soul, mind and heart; they are the blood line of our living.

While today I must admit I don't read as much as I did when I was pastor/teacher, those forty years of reading have become a part of my thinking and life today.

My thinking is Biblical, filled with the principles that have been put there by reading and studying and talking and teaching and writing and learning to apply these principles.
Today Blogging articles keeps me in the Word.

Some people, I have learned, will read books over and over, the same book. If that is true then we can read Ephesians and I Timothy and Revelation over and over.

If you have a mind that is able to remember Matthew and Mark, then you can pull up in your mind those principles that you have read and apply them in your daily life.

But the connection point between Christ and You and the Holy Spirit is the Bible.

"Do you mean God doesn't speak to you?" someone asked me this week. I have never heard the voice of God, that is an experience I might have when I get to Heaven.

"So how do you hear from God?"

What God wants me to know, He has written down in the His Word.


Every thing Jesus Christ wants me to do, and live and act and say He has
already given me instructions. It's in the Word.

What about? It's in there
What about this? It's in there.
But what about....? It's in there.

All that pertains to life and godliness is in the Word.

Charles

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