MacArthur: The tension between Calvinism and the Gospel

MacArthur: The tension between Calvinism and the Gospel

 

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related to last night in your discussions about the atonement and the

question is if that’s true then why witness how do we tell people

God loves them and that Jesus Christ did not die for them or do we tell them that

well you tell them whatever the Bible tells you to tell them and the Bible

tells you to go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature and

that’s what you do because that’s what the scripture says any tension you have

between that and the nature of the atonement any tension you have between

that and the doctor and the divine election and predestination any tension

you feel in those areas

I feel I feel the same tension I asked the same question

I don’t know I don’t know that there’s some kind of quick answer to the

question I i am however happy to concede that God can resolve things that I can’t

I like grilled I I don’t expect of you and you shouldn’t expect me to be to be

able to unscrew the unscrew double you you really don’t think that I’m going to

solve all the vast theological dilemmas that have existed since the scriptures

were in actually some people do

yes that’s the best answer to this question is my brother I feel your pain

that is the best answer to that question I I’m not here to give you an answer but

I will tell you this i do not believe that Jesus died for nobody

I believe he died for somebody and I believe he died specifically for those

who would believe in him and those who believe in him are those who are

regenerated by the Holy Spirit based upon the eternal sovereign collecting

purpose of God i think is Tom it was an actual one not a potential one

I don’t think it was a general one I think it was a specific one I think was

a real death force in the issue here is the nature of the atonement forget the

dilemma you’re going to have the dilemma no matter what you do

the dilemma is why didn’t he send everybody to heaven that dilemma is why

is there hell

and why are people going there that if that is a legitimately difficult

question to ask the only answer I can give you is that if God purpose to do

that Romans 9 who are we to question his purpose if he gets glory from judgment

the way he gets glory from from salvation who are we to question it

the other issue is nobody goes to hell for any other reason than that they’re

guilty of sin and unbelief how that fits i don’t know but there are a lot of

things I don’t know

I’ve said this so many times I don’t even know how my own spiritual life

works

I don’t look Paul says in Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ nevertheless

I live yet not i he didn’t know either

I didn’t know

so you know if you have I see the question who lives your spirit who lives

your Christian life who lives your spiritual life who’s in charge of your

spiritual life

well some of some of us are gonna rise and say well it’s the Holy Spirit

I don’t really think you want to blame him and if it’s all the Holy Spirit what

are all the commands in the Bible about

and yet when when you when you know you you must obey and and and the spirit

must work in it it’s it’s the mystery of how that comes together it’s the same

issue in between the security to believe are held in the Father’s hand and the

necessity of perseverance of faith a persevering faith it’s the same issue is

that we have in the in the volitional aspects of salvation and the sovereign

aspects there there’s that there’s there’s a sort of a resolution

resolution in the in the center of that is known only in the mind of God but i

will not resolve the problem of the lost any other way than to do with the

scripture tells me to do and that is that the Bible of firms to me that God

loves the world the specific people in the world the specific human beings i

don’t know who they are

spurgeon said if you pull up their shirts and show me any stamped on the

back and I know the elect I’ll i limit my work to them but since there is no

such stamp i am committed to obey the command to preach the gospel to every

creature and I can say to them that the love of God has been expressed through

Jesus Christ death on the cross and you will know and experience that love if

you put your faith in Him

and if you don’t do that you’ll perish in your sins and Jesus said you will

perish in your sins because you believe not on me

I’m very comfortable to just take the biblical aspect but I don’t think it’s a

good solution to diminish the nature of the atonement and have Jesus dying for

everybody

if you say that he paid in full the penalty for all the sins of all the

world than what is anybody doing in hell

that’s double jeopardy that doesn’t work so people don’t want to say that so they

say well he died a potentially saving death in that sense he died for nobody

in particular and everybody in general and the sinner who is depraved is the

one who activates the potential atonement while that that’s impossible

so I I just don’t want to find the answer to the dilemma of of the death of

Christ by diminishing the nature of the atonement

it is a real death for those who died in him

that’s what the text says I lay down my life for my sheep and we looked at so

and it’s a good it’s a good question answer because you guys want to be very

careful in the tensions that are in this and it flows through every major

doctrine in scripture that connects the center with God

you don’t want to resolve that tension by asking philosophical questions you

always want to live in that tension by being obedient to Scripture

ok but i do feel your pain because I don’t have an answer to all those

questions and I’m i’m at times profoundly exercised over the the the

non resolution because i like to find the the resolution two things but the

issue on why witness you you wouldn’t suggest bringing up the the discussion

of the limitations of the atonement in in a witnessing context I think we have

to be careful what we say I think there are there are unlimited benefits tied

into the atonement

you can show in in the New Testament that you know it

the expression of God’s love in the atonement is the expression of the same

love that’s demonstrated in common grace

he reigns on the

you know it rains on the just and the unjust there’s there’s common grace

there’s a there’s a kindness of god there’s a even a salvation of God

demonstrated a temporal way he’s the savior of all men temporally physically

in this sense that the world is full of sinners who aren’t dead

what is that that God is saying to them

you don’t get what you deserve when you deserve it that’s my nature so that

demonstration is there for them to see temporally but especially of those who

believe he is the savior of them not temporally and not physically but

eternally and spiritually but he puts his saving nature on display even in the

gospel offer and in common grace and in the withholding of judgment and so I

think we can say to sinners that God is merciful and God is compassionate and

God calls you to repent and caused you to believe and he’s offered his son as a

sacrifice for those who do and I that’s the way i would say it

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John Calvin on First Peter 5:1-4

Verse 1 First Peter 5

In exhorting pastors to their duty, he points out especially three vices which are found to prevail much, even sloth, desire of gain, and lust for power. In opposition to the first vice he sets alacrity or a willing attention; to the second, liberality; to the third, moderation and meekness, by which they are to keep themselves in their own rank or station.

He then says that pastors ought not to exercise care over the flock of the Lord, as far only as they are constrained; for they who seek to do no more than what constraint compels them, do their work formally and negligently. Hence he would have them to do willingly what they do, as those who are really devoted to their work. To correct avarice, he bids them to perform their office with a ready mind; for whosoever has not this end in view, to spend himself and his labor disinterestedly and gladly in behalf of the Church, is not a minister of Christ, but a slave to his own stomach and his purse. The third vice which he condemns is a lust for exercising power or dominion. But it may be asked, what kind of power does he mean? This, as it seems to me, may be gathered from the opposite clause, in which he bids them to be examples to the flock. It is the same as though he had said that they are to preside for this end, to be eminent in holiness, which cannot be, except they humbly subject themselves and their life to the same common rule. What stands opposed to this virtue is tyrannical pride, when the pastor exempts himself from all subjection, and tyrannizes over the Church. It was for this that Ezekiel condemned the false prophets, that is, that they ruled cruelly and tyrannically. (Ezekiel 34:4.) Christ also condemned the Pharisees, because they laid intolerable burdens on the shoulders of the people which they would not touch, no, not with a finger. (Matthew 23:4.) This imperious rigour, then, which ungodly pastors exercise over the Church, cannot be corrected, except their authority be restrained, so that they may rule in such a way as to afford an example of a godly life.

1The elders By this name he designates pastors and all those who are appointed for the government of the Church. But they called them presbyters or elders for honor’s sake, not because they were all old in age, but because they were principally chosen from the aged, for old age for the most part has more prudence, gravity, and experience. But as sometimes hoariness is not wisdom, according to a Greek proverb, and as young men are found more fit, such as Timothy, these were also usually called presbyters, after having been chosen into that order. Since Peter calls himself in like manner a presbyter, it appears that it was a common name, which is still more evident from many other passages. Moreover, by this title he secured for himself more authority, as though he had said that he had a right to admonish pastors, because he was one of themselves, for there ought to be mutual liberty between colleagues. But if he had the right of primacy he would have claimed it; and this would have been most suitable on the present occasion. But though he was an Apostle, he yet knew that authority was by no means delegated to him over his colleagues, but that on the contrary he was joined with the rest in the participation of the same office.

A witness of the sufferings of Christ This may be explained of doctrine, yet I prefer to regard it as referring to his own life. At the same time both may be admitted; but I am more disposed to embrace the latter view, because these two clauses will be more in harmony, — that Peter speaks of the sufferings of Christ in his own flesh, and that he would be also a partaker of his glory. For the passage agrees with that of Paul, "If we suffer together, we shall also reign together." Besides, it avails much to make us believe his words, that he gave a proof of his faith by enduring the cross. For it hence appears evident that he spoke in earnest; and the Lord, by thus proving his people, seals as it were their ministry, that it might have more honor and reverence among men. Peter, then, had probably this in view, so that he might be heard as the faithful minister of Christ, a proof of which he gave in the persecutions he had suffered, and in the hope which he had of future life. (53)

But we must observe that Peter confidently declares that he would be a partaker of that glory which was not yet revealed; for it is the character of faith to acquiesce in hidden blessings.

　

Verse 2

2Feed the flock of God We hence learn what the word presbyter imports, even that it includes the office of feeding. It is for a far different end that the Pope makes presbyters, even that they may daily slay Christ, there being no mention made of feeding in their ordination. Let us then remember to distinguish between the institution of Christ and the confusion of the Pope, it being as different as light is from darkness. Let us also bear in mind the definition given of the word; for the flock of Christ cannot be fed except with pure doctrine, which is alone our spiritual food.

Hence pastors are not mute hypocrites, nor those who spread their own figments, which, like deadly poison, destroy the souls of men.

The words, as much as it is in you, mean the same as though he had said, "Apply all your strength to this very thing, and whatever power God has conferred on you." The old interpreter has given this rendering, "Which is among you;" and this may be the sense of the words: more correct, however, is the rendering of Erasmus, which I have followed, though I do not reject nor disapprove of the other. (54)

The flock of God, or, of the Lord, or, of Christ: it matters little which you take, for the three readings are found in different copies. (55)

Taking the oversight, or, discharging the office of a bishop. Erasmus renders the words, "Taking care of it," (curam illius agentes ;) but as the Greek word is ἐπισκοποῦντες I doubt not but that Peter meant to set forth the office and title of the episcopate. We may learn also from other parts of Scripture that these two names, bishop and presbyter, are synonymous. He then shews how they were rightly to perform the pastoral office, though the word ἐπισκοπεῖν generally means to preside or to oversee. What I have rendered "not constraintally," is literally, "not necessarily;" for when we act according to what necessity prescribes, we proceed in our work slowly and frigidly, as it were by constraint.

　

Verse 3

3Neither as being lords, or, as exercising dominion. The preposition κατὰ in Greek is taken, for the most part, in a bad sense: then Peter here condemns unreasonable exercise of power, as the case is with those who consider not themselves to be the ministers of Christ and his Church, but seek something higher. And he calls particular churches "lots," (cleros ;) for as the whole body of the Church is the Lord’s heritage, so the churches, scattered through towns and villages, were as so many farms, the culture of which he assigns to each presbyter. Some very ignorantly think that those called clergy are meant here. It was, indeed, an ancient way of speaking, to call the whole order of ministers, clergy; but I wish that it had never occurred to the Fathers to speak thus; for what Scripture ascribes in common to the whole Church, it was by no means right to confine to a few men. And this way of speaking was spurious, at least it was a departure from apostolic usage.

Peter, indeed, expressly gives the churches this title, in order that we may know that whatever men ascribe to themselves is taken away from the Lord, as in many places he calls the Church his peculiar treasure, and the rod of his heritage, when he intends to claim his entire dominion over it; for he never delivers to pastors the government, but only the care, so that his own right remains still complete.

　

Verse 4

4When the chief Shepherd shall appear Except pastors retain this end in view, it can by no means be that they will in good earnest proceed in the course of their calling, but will, on the contrary, become often faint; for there are innumerable hindrances which are sufficient to discourage the most prudent. They have often to do with ungrateful men, from whom they receive an unworthy reward; long and great labors are often in vain; Satan sometimes prevails in his wicked devices. Lest, then, the faithful servant of Christ should be broken down, there is for him one and only one remedy, — to turn his eyes to the coming of Christ. Thus it will be, that he, who seems to derive no encouragement from men, will assiduously go on in his labors, knowing that a great reward is prepared for him by the Lord. And further, lest a protracted expectation should produce languor, he at the same time sets forth the greatness of the reward, which is sufficient to compensate for all delay: An unfading crown of glory, he says, awaits you.

It ought also to be observed, that he calls Christ the chief Pastor; for we are to rule the Church under him and in his name, in no other way but that he should be still really the Pastor. So the word chief here does not only mean the principal, but him whose power all others ought to submit to, as they do not represent him except according to his command and authority.

Verse 5

First Peter 5:1 to 4 Verses, Translations, Strongs

1Peter 5:1 Therefore,^{3767 I exhort3870 the elders4245 among you, as your fellow elder4850 and witness3144 of the sufferings3804 of Christ, and a partaker2844 also of the glory1391 that is to be revealed601 (NASB: Lockman)}

 

 

 

Amplified: I WARN and counsel the elders among you (the pastors and spiritual guides of the church) as a fellow elder and as an eyewitness [called to testify] of the sufferings of Christ, as well as a sharer in the glory (the honor and splendor) that is to be revealed (disclosed, unfolded):

KJV: The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:

NLT: And now, a word to you who are elders in the churches. I, too, am an elder and a witness to the sufferings of Christ. And I, too, will share his glory and his honor when he returns. As a fellow elder, this is my appeal to you: (

Phillips: Now may I who am myself an elder say a word to you my fellow-elders? I speak as one who actually saw Christ suffer, and as one who will share with you the glories that are to be unfolded to us.

Wuest: Elders therefore who are among you, I exhort, I who am your fellow elder, and one who saw the sufferings of the Christ and who has been retained as a witness to bear testimony concerning them, who also am a fellow partaker of the glory which is about to be

Young's Literal: Elders who are among you, I exhort, who am a fellow-elder, and a witness of the sufferings of the Christ, and of the glory about to be revealed a partaker

EXHORT THE ELDERS AMONG YOU: _{Presbuterous oun en humin parakalo (1SPAI)}: (_{Acts 11:30; 14:23; 15:4,6,22,23; 20:17,28; Acts 21:18; 1Ti 5:1,19; Titus 1:5)}

AS YOUR FELLOW ELDER: o sumpresbuteros: (_{Philemon 1:9; 2 Jn 1:1; 3 Jn 1:1)}

AND WITNESS OF THE SUFFERINGS OF CHRIST: kai martus ton tou Christou pathematon: (_{1Peter 1:12; Lk 24:48; Jn 15:26,27; Acts 1:8,22; 2:32; 3:15; 5:30, 31, 32; Acts 10:39, 40, 41)}

AND A PARTAKER ALSO OF THE GLORY THAT IS TO BE _{72; Acts 20:26,27)}

EXERCISING OVERSIGHT: (episkopountes) (PAPMPN): Hebrews 12:15

NOT (forced into) UNDER COMPULSION: me anagkastos : (_{Is 6:8; 1Co 9:16,17)}

REVEALED: o kai tes mellouses (to be about to) (PAPFSG) apokaluptesthai (PPN) doxes koinonos: (_{1Pe 5:4; 1:3-5; Ps 73:24,25; 2Co 5:1,8; Php 1:19,21, 22, 23; 2Ti 4:8; 1Jn 3:2; Rev 1:9)}

1 Peter 5:2 shepherd^{4165 the flock4168 of God among you, exercising oversight1983 not under compulsion317, but voluntarily,1596 according to the will of God; and not for sordid gain,147 but with eagerness4290;} (^{NASB: Lockman)} 

Amplified: Tend (nurture, guard, guide, and fold) the flock of God that is [your responsibility], not by coercion or constraint, but willingly; not dishonorably motivated by the advantages and profits [belonging to the office], but eagerly and cheerfully;

KJV: Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

NLT: Care for the flock of God entrusted to you. Watch over it willingly, not grudgingly—not for what you will get out of it, but because you are eager to serve God.

Phillips: I urge you then to see that your "flock of God" is properly fed and cared for. Accept the responsibility of looking after them willingly and not because you feel you can't get out of it, doing your work not for what you can make, but because you are really concerned for their well-being. (

Wuest: shepherd the flock of God which is among you, doing so not by reason of constraint put upon you, but willingly according to God; not in fondness for dishonest gain but freely

Young's Literal: feed the flock of God that is among you, overseeing not constrainedly, but willingly, neither for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind,

SHEPHERD: poimanate (2SAAM): (Song 1:8; Is 40:11; Ezek 34:2,3,23; Mic 5:4; 7:14; Jn 21:15, 16, 17; Acts 20:28)

THE FLOCK OF GOD AMONG YOU: _{to en humin poimnion tou theou} : (_{Is 63:11; Jer 13:17,20; Ezek 34:31; Zech 11:17; Lk 12:32; 1Co 9:7) (Ps 78:71,72; Acts 20:26,27)}

EXERCISING OVERSIGHT: (episkopountes) (PAPMPN): Hebrews 12:15

NOT (forced into) UNDER COMPULSION: me anagkastos : (_{Is 6:8; 1Co 9:16,17)}

BUT VOLUNTARILY ACCORDING TO GOD: alla hekousios kata theon:

AND NOT FOR SORDID GAIN: mede aischrokerdos: (_{Is 56:11; Jer 6:13; 8:10; Micah 3:11; Mal 1:10; Acts 20:33,34; 2Co 12:14,15; 1 i 3:3,8; Titus 1:7,11; 2Peter 2:3; Revelation 18:12,13)}

BUT WITH EARGERNESS: alla prothumos: (_{Acts 21:13; Ro 1:15; Titus 2:14; 3:1)}

1Peter 5:3 nor yet as lording2634 it over those allotted to your charge, but proving to be examples to the flock. (NASB: Lockman)
 

Amplified: Not domineering [as arrogant, dictatorial, and overbearing persons] over those in your charge, but being examples (patterns and models of Christian living) to the flock (the congregation).

KJV: Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.

NLT: Don't lord it over the people assigned to your care, but lead them by your good example.

Phillips: You should aim not at being "little tin gods" but as examples of Christian living in the eyes of the flock committed to your charge.

Wuest: nor yet as lording it in a high-handed manner over the portions of the flock assigned to you, but as becoming patterns for the flock. (

Young's Literal: neither as exercising lordship over the heritages, but patterns becoming of the flock,

NOR YET AS LORDING IT OVER: _{med os katakurieuontes (PAPMPN)}: (_{Ezek 34:4; Mt 20:25,26; 23:8, 9, 10; Mark 10:42, 43, 44, 45; Lk 22:24, 25, 26, 27;}

THOSE ALLOTTED TO YOUR CHARGE:²⁸¹⁹ ton kleron:

BUT PROVING TO BE EXAMPLES 5179 TO THE FLOCK:4168 alla tupoi ginomenoi (PMPMPN) tou poimniou: (^{_{1Co 11:11; Php 3:17; 4:9; 1Th 1:5,6; 2 Th3:9; 1Ti 4:12; Titus 2:7)}}

 1 Peter 5:4 And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the unfading crown of glory. (NASB: Lockman)

Amplified: And [then] when the Chief Shepherd is revealed, you will win the conqueror’s crown of glory.
KJV: And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
to the younger men to obey the elders
NLT: And when the head Shepherd comes, your reward will be a never-ending share in his glory and honor.
Phillips: And then, when the chief shepherd reveals himself, you will receive that crown of glory which cannot fade.
Wuest: And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you shall receive the victor’s unfading crown of glory. (Eerdmans)
Young's Literal: and at the manifestation of the chief Shepherd, ye shall receive the unfading crown of glory.
AND WHEN THE CHIEF SHEPHERD^{750 APPEARS}:5319 kai phanerothentos (AAPMSG) tou archipoimenos:
YOU WILL RECEIVE ^{2865 THE UNFADING 262 CROWN 4735 OF GLORY}: _{komieisthe (2PFMI) ton amarantinon tes doxes stephanon}:

_{^{1Pe 1:4; Da 12:3; 1Co 9:25; 2Ti 4:8; James 1:12; Rev 2:10; 3:11}}
   

I WARN and counsel the elders among you (the pastors and spiritual guides of the church) as a fellow elder and as an eyewitness [called to testify] of the sufferings of Christ, as well as a sharer in the glory (the honor and splendor) that is to be revealed (disclosed, unfolded): Tend (nurture, guard, guide, and fold) the flock of God that is [your responsibility], not by coercion or constraint, but willingly; not dishonorably motivated by the advantages and profits [belonging to the office], but eagerly and cheerfully; Not domineering [as arrogant, dictatorial, and overbearing persons] over those in your charge, but being examples (patterns and models of Christian living) to the flock (the congregation). And [then] when the Chief Shepherd is revealed, you will win the conqueror’s crown of glory.

A Brief List of Work Places

Pastor/Teacher at Rivers of Joy Baptist Church

Ticket Seller at Dallas Fort Worth International Airport

Sunday School Superintendent at First Baptist Church of Haltom City

Former Charity and Debbie are co owner of the Bakery. at Union Mills Confectionery

Worked at Mex-Itali Restaurant

Former Sunday School Superintendent at Portsmouth Baptist Church

Former Building Manager at Ashland Avenue Baptist Church

Former Pastor at First Baptist Church-Altoona, KS. Pastor Frank Thomas

Former SUPERVISIOR INSTRUCTOR at Fredonia Home Town Health Care

Former Housekeeping/Laundry Supervisor at Tanbark Healthcare

Former Night Watch at Crown Point High School

Former Youth Pastor at Calvary Baptist Church

Former Amtrik builder of Sleeper car at Pullman-Standard, Inc.

Former Camp Director at Mansfield Baptist Temple

Former Camp Director at Pleasant Valley Ranch

Former Youth Pastor at Victory Baptist Church

Former Pastor at Madison Missionary Baptist Church

Former Youth Pastor at Roanoke Baptist Temple

Studied Biblicasl NANCA Counseling at Faith Baptist Bible College

Studied Church Ministry and Theology at The Master's Seminary

Studied Master program in Biblical Theology and Biblical Counseling at Liberty University

Studies Master of Biblical Study at Bethel College

Studied Church Ministry-Christian Education at Hyles–Anderson College

Studied Old Testament/New Testament Studies at Bible Baptist Seminary

Went to Jefferson Senior High School, Roanoke, VA

Lives in McDermott, Ohio

Married

From Roanoke, Virginia

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