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I am the Pastor/Teacher of Rivers of Joy Baptist Church in Minford, Ohio since August 2008.  I am married to Charity since June 14, 1969.  I have four grown children.   Having served in the local church for over forty years as Pastor/Teacher, Asso., Youth Pastor, Minister of Education, Building Upkeep, Camp Director, Sunday School Teacher, etc. Also I have worked in the public place for as many years as I have preached. Charity and her sister are co owner of Union Mills Conf. (Bakery) in West Portsmouth Ohio

Regeneration How and When

Romans 9 and Selected Verses
Charles e Whisnant, Pastor/Teacher/Theologian,

Reading Abraham Kuyper this morning he gives a description of salvation: He said a child knows nothing of his own existences, as a child, nor of the first period of his life, from his own observation. If he were to tell you his history from his own recollections, he would began with the time he could remember. ( My own first recollection)I was walking with my dad to the church holding his hand when I was about 5 years old.) ) But being informed by others of his early life he can go back of his recollections and speak of his parents, family, time, and place, how he grew up, etc. So there is a differences between the two accounts. 
So there is a difference between what I believed happen when I was saved and what really did happen. When I was saved (as I have dated) I was personally ignorant of the implanting of the new life, I only remember that I needed to be saved, which I believe led me to faith and repentance as far as I knew those terms back in 1954 when I was seven. Well as I was getting order I was not satisfied with this, I wanted to know just how did I become saved. Was it that I raised my hands? Was it that I went to the alter? Was it that I prayed and quoted John 3:16? Was I just persuaded by the preaching? Where was the starting point of my salvation I wondered as I got older.. So I have spend a life time just learning what really happen when I was saved.,

I must say then that the first act of salvation for me was wholly passive and unconscious. Generally that is the case with those who are children, and in most cases adults as well. 
So the question ask is this: “WHAT HAD GOD WROUGHT IN THE SOUL THAT BRINGS ABOUT SALVATION TO HIM? I am not sure that I knew that for years after I went forward at Williamsroad Baptist Church in Roanoke Virginia the same time that Winston Hall did.

Quoting Kuyper: 
But this subjective representation, more or less incomplete, can not satisfy us now. It was to be expected that the supporters of "free will" would abuse it, by inferring that the origin and first activities of the work of salvation spring from man himself. A sinner, hearing the Word, is deeply impressed; persuaded by its threats and promises, he repents, arises, and accepts the Savior. Hence there is nothing more than a mere moral persuasion, obscuring the glorious origin of the new life. To resist this repulsive deforming of the truth, Maccovius, already in the days of the Synod of Dort, abandoned this more or less critical method to make regeneration the starting-point. He followed this order: 

"Knowledge of sin, redemption in Christ, regeneration, and only then faith." And this was consistent with the development of the Reformed doctrine. For as soon as the subjective method was abandoned, it became necessary in answer to the question, "What has God wrought in the soul?" to return to the first implanting of life. And then it became evident that God did not begin by leading the sinner to repentance, for repentance must be preceded by conviction of sin; nor by bringing him under the hearing of the word, for this requires an opened ear. Hence the first conscious and comparatively cooperative act of man is always preceded by the original act of God, planting in him the first principle of a new life, under which act man is wholly passive and unconscious.
Thus God worked in my heart, spirit, soul , as a child creating a new life without my knowledge, while later the work God brought into my heart the knowledge of regeneration with my full knowledge and consent.


.the first effect of the power of God in the heart in regeneration is to give the heart a Divine or sense; to cause it to have a relish of the loveliness and sweetness of the supreme excellency of the Divine nature. Said Jonathan Edwards

In reply Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.” JOHN 3:3 
Regeneration is a New Testament concept that grew, it seems, out of a parabolic picture-phrase that Jesus used to show Nicodemus the inwardness and depth of the change that even religious Jews must undergo if they were ever to see and enter the kingdom of God, and so have eternal life (John 3:3-15). Jesus pictured the change as being “born again.”

The concept is of God renovating the heart, the core of a person’s being, by implanting a new principle of desire, purpose, and action, a dispositional dynamic that finds expression in positive response to the gospel and its Christ. Jesus’ phrase “born of water and the Spirit” (John 3:5) harks back to Ezekiel 36:25-27, where God is pictured as symbolically cleansing persons from sin’s pollution (by water) and bestowing a “new heart” by putting his Spirit within them. Because this is so explicit, Jesus chides Nicodemus, “Israel’s teacher,” for not understanding how new birth happens (John 3:9-10). Jesus’ point throughout is that there is no exercise of faith in himself as the supernatural Savior, no repentance, and no true discipleship apart from this new birth.

Elsewhere John teaches that belief in the Incarnation and Atonement, with faith and love, holiness and righteousness, is the fruit and proof that one is born of God (1 John 2:29; 3:9; 4:7; 5:1, 4). It thus appears that as there is no conversion without new birth, so there is no new birth without conversion.
Though infant regeneration can be a reality when God so purposes (Luke 1:15, 41-44), the ordinary context of new birth is one of effectual calling—that is, confrontation with the gospel and illumination as to its truth and significance as a message from God to oneself. Regeneration is always the decisive element in effectual calling.

Regeneration is monergistic: that is, entirely the work of God the Holy Spirit. It raises the elect among the spiritually dead to new life in Christ (Eph. 2:1-10). Regeneration is a transition from spiritual death to spiritual life, and conscious, intentional, active faith in Christ is its immediate fruit, not its immediate cause. Regeneration is the work of what Augustine called “prevenient” grace, the grace that precedes our outgoings of heart toward God.