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I am the Pastor/Teacher of Rivers of Joy Baptist Church in Minford, Ohio since August 2008.  I am married to Charity since June 14, 1969.  I have four grown children.   Having served in the local church for over forty years as Pastor/Teacher, Asso., Youth Pastor, Minister of Education, Building Upkeep, Camp Director, Sunday School Teacher, etc. Also I have worked in the public place for as many years as I have preached. Charity and her sister are co owner of Union Mills Conf. (Bakery) in West Portsmouth Ohio

First Peter 1:5

Nasv; (Believers)who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time

Nkjv: who are kept by the powr of God through faith for salvation to be revealed in the last time.
Amplified: Who are being guarded (garrisoned) by God’s power through [your] faith [till you fully inherit that final] salvation that is ready to be revealed [for you] in the last time.

Amplified (2015) who are being protected and shielded by the power of God through your faith for salvation that is ready to be revealed [for you] in the last time.

NLT: And God, in his mighty power, will protect you until you receive this salvation, because you are trusting him. It will be revealed on the last day for all to see.

Phillips: And in the meantime you are guarded by the power of God operating through your faith, till you enter fully into the salvation which is all ready for the dénouement of the last day.

Wuest: who are constantly being kept guarded by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in a last season which is epochal and strategic in its significance.

Young's Literal: who, in the power of God are being guarded, through faith, unto salvation, ready to be revealed in the last time,


Note the protection is by and through. By speaks of our vertical security (our God) and through of our horizontal security (our faith).

Notice how the Greek appropriately places the power of God first in the sentence for emphasis. Indeed God is the "first Cause" Who Alone has supernatural "keeping power!" God grant us by Your Spirit the desire and power (Philippians 2:13) to run to Your Protecting Name "The Power of God" as if running into a strong tower... "For God is working in you, giving you the desire and the power to do what pleases Him""

The name of the LORD is a strong tower; The righteous (Our Responsibility) runs into it and is safe (God's Sovereign Keeping Power -Hebrew = sagab = lifted high). (Pr 18:10) "The name of the LORD is a strong tower; The righteous runs into it and is safe"
"In the Greek, the first and preeminent idea is God's power as the basis of protection; faith is our "passive" part in the process
We "run" into His Name and His Power by faith). This means that we rely entirely on the divine might exercised on our behalf, not on what we can do....
In First Peter 1:5 it (protecting power) refers to the hosts of heaven, the "power of God," that stands against the vicissitudes of life. (a variation in circumstances or fortune at different times in your life or in the development of something.)
It is important to realize that this protection is entirely supplied by God, Who exercises His might on our behalf. It is nothing we can do, as if we could control His power and so guard ourselves.
We respond with "faith," that is, a total reliance on God Who Alone keeps us secure. This does not mean we are inactive (Like the catchy but theologically inaccurate aphorism says "Let go and Let God."), as if we sit back and wait for God to do everything for us.
Rather, we actively seek God and both His might and wisdom as we work through our difficulties.
The key is our utter dependence on Him.


is a military metaphor speaking of a fortress with strong walls being guarded by a battalion of soldiers. This term in this context also implies that those who have been born again are in a holy war and are under constant enemy attack from a host of unholy enemies = the world the flesh, and the devil, (cp similar military metaphor in First peter 2:11.
Spurgeon: God's guarding providence writing that…"As sure as ever God puts His children in the furnace He will be in the furnace with them."
Darby: God's ways are behind the scenes, but He moves all the scenes which He is behind.
is in the present tensse which emphasizes God's ever available power and our need for His continual supernatural protection in our struggle in this present life (and our 3 enemies = theworld, the flesh and the devil.) as we await our day of redemption Ephesisans 4:20) and our life of eternal glory.
Present Tense: From Peter's use of Present tense one can see that in context he is referring to born again ones, describing them as those who are "continually being protected by the power (dunamis) of God". God's protection of His children isn't fickle, present one day and absent the next. You can see how even the most basic understanding of verb tense can add so much to the meaning.
Hallelujah! We are constantly being kept guarded by the omnipotent power of God which guarantees every believer's final victory even what may seen to them now as "against all odds"!
The passive voice (so called "Divine passive" in this context) indicates that the "guarding" is being carried out by an outside force, specifically God, Whose power is continuously guarding us.
Peter's point then is that it is not believers who make themselves holy (eg, by keeping a list of do's and don't's) but it is God Who makes us progressively more and more holy as we surrender our will to His sweet will.
Peter's point is that we will make it to heaven no matter what trials we experience here, so hangeth thou in there! As Peter says in 1 Peter 1:6- although the trials may feel like they are never ending, they are only "for a little while!" (cp "momentary, light affliction" in 2 Corinthians 4:17 God's keeping power is sufficient to bring us safely through the trials and afflictions.

Christian Are To Be Cool and not Panic

Satan Have You For Breakfast

1Peter 5:8 Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. (NASB:)
: Be well balanced (temperate, sober of mind), be vigilant and cautious at all times; for that enemy of yours, the devil, roams around like a lion roaring [in fierce hunger], seeking someone to seize upon and devour. (Amplified Bible -
Be sober; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour
Be careful! Watch out for attacks from the Devil, your great enemy. He prowls around like a roaring lion, looking for some victim to devour. (NLT -
: Be self-controlled and vigilant always, for your enemy the devil is always about, prowling like a lion roaring for its prey. (New Testament in Modern English)
Wuest: Be of a sober mind, be watchful. Your adversary who is a slanderer, namely, the devil, as a lion roaring in fierce hunger, is constantly walking about, always seeking someone to be devouring
Young's Literal: Be sober, vigilant, because your opponent the devil, as a roaring lion, doth walk about, seeking whom he may swallow up,
Paraphrase: (Peter commands saints to) Be sober, be self controlled, be circumspect, be cool, show sound moral judgment (Do it now. It is urgent). Be alert, vigilant, wide awake (Do it now. It is urgent). Your opponent (adversary) like a lion continually roaring and howling (trying to incite fear in his victims), is continuously walking around (pacing back and forth), continuously seeking to drink (you) down and devour (you). (: is my personal "
1Peter 1:13; 4:7; Mt 24:48, 49,50; Lk 12:45,46; 21:34,36; Ro 13:11, 12, 13; 1Th 5:6, 7, 8; 1Ti 2:9,15; 3:2,11; Titus 1:8; 2:2,4,6,12) ("spirit" is added by the translators

Be sober (3525) (nepho) in the physical sense literally was used to refer to either complete abstinence or in a relative sense to refer to temperance (drinking but not to the point of intoxication).
    1.Yes, we can cast the burden of our anxiety and cares on God, but we are not absolved of the duty to remain sober and watchful. God's Spirit will enable us to carry out both of these commands (jettison self-reliance, self-effort!) but we are ultimately responsible to carry them out in loving obedience. To sum up all of the commands given to us in the NT (of which there are in the range of 1000!), believers are 100% dependent and 100% responsible to obey!
    2. the NT is used only figuratively meaning to be free from every form of mental and spiritual "intoxication". The idea then is to be calm and collected in spirit, circumspect, self-controlled, well-balanced, clear headed. Be self-possessed under all circumstances or for believers a more accurate description would be "Spirit" possessed, for indeed there is no other way we can stay sober in our own strength. We are 100% responsible for staying sober minded but we are 100% dependent on the Spirit's enablement to exercise restraint and keep ourselves free from excess, from evil passions, from rashness, etc.
    3. The aorist tense, imperative (command) mood calls for urgent action. Peter is saying you must "Do this now. Keep your head clear!" And the next passage explains why believers need to remain watchful and vigilant, for we have a watchful, vigilant adversary!
    4. Here are the 6 uses of in Scripture (none in Lxx) (note some are discussed in more detail below)...
    1 Thessalonians 5:6 so then let us not sleep as others do, but let us be alert and sober....8 But since we are of the day, let us be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet, the hope of salvation.
    2 Timothy 4:5 But you, be sober in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
    1 Peter 1:13 Therefore, gird your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
    1 Peter 5:8 Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls about like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

5. sober conveys

  1. idea of freedom from excitability (a contrast to the excitement of drunkenness)
  2. thus means to be calm and collected in spirit,
  3.  temperate (marked by moderation, keeping within limits, not extreme or excessive), not given to excessive indulgence in drink or any other activity,
  4.  dispassionate (not influenced by strong feeling; especially not affected by personal or emotional involvement),
  5.  circumspect (careful to consider all circumstances and possible consequences, prudently watchful and discreet in the face of danger or risk), with
  6. equanimity (evenness of mind especially under stress and suggests a habit of mind that is only rarely disturbed under great strain),
  7.  cool (marked by steady dispassionate calmness and self-control) and unimpassioned
      6. "a part of this soberness includes not blaming everything on the devil. Some people see a demon behind every bush and blame Satan for their headaches, flat tires, and high rent. While it is true that Satan can inflict physical sickness and pain (Luke 13:16; and the Book of Job), we have no biblical authority for casting out "demons of headache" or "demons of backache(Wiersbe, W: Bible Exposition
      7. sober means taking heed of what is happening and pursuing a course with calm and steady aim."denotes a condition free from every form of mental and spiritual loss of self-control; it is an attitude of self-discipline that avoids the extremes of the 'reckless irresponsibility of self indulgence on the one hand, and of religious ecstasy on the other.' It inculcates a calm, steady state of mind that evaluates things correctly, so that it is not thrown off balance by new and fascinating ideas. Such 'level headedness' is a constant Christian need)
      8. "Christian living needs order as well as ardour." (E. P. Clowney. The Message of 1 Peter. page 63) (and similar words in this word group) is the antithesis of all mental fuzziness. The Greek culture highly valued sober judgment in both individual and public life.
      9. Barclay says that the Greek word sober
      like the English, can have two meanings. It can mean that they must refrain from drunkenness in the literal sense of the term;
      and it can also mean that they must be steady in their minds. They must become intoxicated neither with intoxicating liquor nor with intoxicating thoughts; they must preserve a balanced judgment.
      It is easy for the Christian to be carried away with this, that, or the next sudden enthusiasm and to become readily intoxicated with the latest fashion and the newest craze. Peter is appealing to them to maintain the essential steadiness of the man who knows what he believes..
      This does not mean that the Christian is to be lost in a gloomy joylessness; but it does mean that his approach to life must not be frivolous and irresponsible.
      To take things seriously is to be aware of their real importance and to be ever mindful of their consequences in time and in eternity. It is to approach life, not as a jest, but as a serious matter for which we are answerable. )

10. Sober characterizes the individual marked by self-control; of sound moral judgment. Sober Christians deny themselves worldly pleasures ( Titus 2:12). This allows them to be always alert, able to guard against Satan’s attacks (1Pet 5:8) and ready to receive the revelation of Christ ( 1 Peter 1:13).
11. a sense of coolness (arising out of abstinence from what will excite) of one who is prepared for any emergency. Part of being sober is not blaming everything on the Devil!
12. is the proper exercise of the mind, that state of mind in which the individual is self-controlled, and is able to see things without the distortion caused by worry, fear, and their related attitudes.
13. First Thessalonians 5:5-8 you are all sons of light and sons of day... not of night nor of darkness (Believers live in an entirely different sphere than those who will experience God’s wrath in the Day of the Lord);" and that because of who are they are (emphasizing that there must be an inseparable link between our new nature and new behavior) they are to "not sleep as others do (day people can still do deeds of darkness), but... be alert (continuously awake and able to rightly assess what is happening in the spiritual dimension)
and sober (nepho - calm, collected, and circumspect) For those who sleep do their sleeping at night, and those who get drunk get drunk at night. But since we are of the day, let
us be sober (nepho), having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet, the hope of salvation.
14. points to a condition of moral alertness, the sense of being so exercised and disciplined that all fear of sleeping again is removed. Paul exhorted the Thessalonians to live consistently with their new natures. The present tense (continuous action = lifestyle = habitual action) verbs in 1Thessalonians 5:6 (sleep...be alert.. and sober) call for the Thessalonians to be continuously awake, alert, and sober. A habitually spiritually sober person exhibits self-control, lives a serious, balanced, calm, steady life, and maintains proper priorities. To be sober is to be alert; the two terms are essentially synonyms. Just as sleep and drunkenness define night people’s insensitivity to spiritual reality, so alertness and soberness describe day people’s sensitivity to it.
15. William Hendricksen in discussing 1Thessalonians 5:6 adds that The sober person lives deeply. His pleasures are not primarily those of the senses, like the pleasures of the drunkard for instance, but those of the soul. He is by no means a Stoic. On the contrary, with a full measure of joyful anticipation he looks forward to the return of the Lord ( 1 Peter 1:13-14). But he does not run away from his task! Note how both here and also in 1 Peter 5:8 the two verbs to be watchful and to be sober are used as synonyms.
16. Knowing that Timothy would face spiritual opposition especially toward the pure truth of the gospel, Paul exhorted him to be sober (nepho - present imperative = make this your continual practice) in all things, endure (aorist imperative = do this now. It is urgent) hardship, do (aorist imperative) the work of an evangelist, fulfill (aorist imperative) your ministry." ( 2 Timothy 4:5)
17. Paul is encouraging his your protégé to be levelheaded, well-balanced, and in control of his faculties and by extension to be stable, unwavering, and steadfast.

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The Word of God

Now obviously, the most important element in the ministry of the Church is our commitment to the Word of God.

And I have battled for the truthfulness of the Word of God, the priority of the Word of God, the centrality of the Word of God all the years that I’ve been here. And the battle shifts and moves and the front changes from time to time.

But there is also the necessity of affirming the truthfulness, the priority, the centrality and the glory of Scripture, nor as an end to itself but as a means to an end.
It is the means by which people are saved and sanctified and equipped and trained and motivated and given the hope of glory.
It is not the end but it is the single means by which God does all His work.
It is the Spirit using the Word of God, the Word rightly understood and applied.
In every service opened up the Word of God. We want to hear God speak. We know that He does His work through His Word.

The Bible, the Word of the one true and living God, the truth and the only source of truth
that convicts of sin,
warns of judgment,
saves the sinner,
matures the believer and
gives the hope of eternal glory.

And because it is the revelation of God by which God does His work to His own ever-lasting glory, it is the priority for the church and for every believer. It is also always under attack, always under assault by Satan and his demons and the people in the kingdom of darkness. Attacks on the Bible have never ceased, they’ve only accumulated through the years.
First Peter 5:5 "Put On The Apron of Humility"

Charles e Whisnant, Pastor/Teacher

Several good translations of the verse:
Amplified: Likewise, you who are younger and of lesser rank, be subject to the elders (the ministers and spiritual guides of the church)—[giving them due respect and yielding to their counsel]. Clothe (apron) yourselves, all of you, with humility [as the garb of a servant, so that its covering cannot possibly be stripped from you, with freedom from pride and arrogance] toward one another. For God sets Himself against the proud (the insolent, the overbearing, the disdainful, the presumptuous, the boastful)—[and He opposes, frustrates, and defeats them], but gives grace (favor, blessing) to the humble.

KJV: Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
NLT: You younger men, accept the authority of the elders. And all of you, serve each other in humility, for "God sets himself against the proud, but he shows favor to the humble."

Phillips: You younger members must also submit to the elders. Indeed all of you should defer to one another and wear the "overall" of humility in serving each other. ‘God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble’.

Wuest: Likewise, younger ones, be in subjection to the elders. Moreover, all of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, because God opposes himself to those who set themselves above others, but gives grace to those who are lowly.

Young’s Literal: In like manner, ye younger, be subject to elders, and all to one another subjecting yourselves; with humble-mindedness clothe yourselves, because God the proud doth resist, but to the humble He doth give grace;

(1Peter 4:1,5; Therefore, since Christ has 1suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same purpose, because he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, but they will give account to Him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.
Romans 12:10; Be devoted to one another in brotherly love; give preference to one another in honor;
Ephesians 5:21; and be subject to one another in the fear of Christ.
Philippians 2:3 Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind regard one another as more important than yourselves;
1Peter 3:3,4; Your adornment must not be merely external—braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewelry, or putting on dresses; but let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God.
2Chr 6:41; 41 "Now therefore arise, O Lord God, to Your resting place, You and the ark of Your might; let Your priests, O Lord God, be clothed with salvation and let Your godly ones rejoice in what is good.
Job 29:14; "I put on righteousness, and it clothed me; My justice was like a robe and a turban.
Psalms 132:9,16; Let Your priests be clothed with righteousness, And let Your godly ones sing for joy.
Isaiah 61:10; I will rejoice greatly in the Lord, My soul will exult in my God; For He has clothed me with garments of salvation, He has wrapped me with a robe of righteousness, As a bridegroom decks himself with a garland, And as a bride adorns herself with her jewels.
Ro mans13:14; But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh in regard to its lusts.
Col 3:12 So, as those who have been chosen of God, holy and beloved, put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience

Clothe yourself (1463)
An apron a servant wears while working gather or tie in a knot, hence to fasten a garment, to clothe) (found only here in the NT) literally means to tie something on oneself with a knot or a bow and was a term often used to describe a slave putting an apron over his clothes in order to keep his clothes clean.
This verb also refers to the white scarf or apron of slaves, which was fastened to the belt of the vest and distinguished slaves from freemen, hence the idea is "gird yourselves with humility as your servile garb".
Peter uses the aorist imperative which signifies a command calling for "soldier like" obedience. Calls for a specific, definite, decisive choice. "Do this now, at once "
This is a vitally important command that dare not be dismissed without significant consequences (e.g., pride blunts the Spirit fed stream of God’s amazing grace as in James 4:6 But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, "God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble."
And which is necessary not just for salvation the first time as in Ephesians 2:8-9, but is also necessary for "salvation" daily = sanctification, present tense salvation
In addition them its in the middle voice: which indicates we are to initiate the action and participate in the results or effect of this action.
This phrase can be translated "Put on the apron of humility" which is an appropriated paraphrase picturing the scarf or apron as the badge of a servant.
How easily the world’s competitive spirit filters into the hearts of Christians and Christian workers who become envious of one another’s success. How seldom we think of ourselves as servants for Christ’s sake
Its a problem in the local church that far too many Christians do not have this attitude of humility toward one another.
The Christian believer is as one put it "tie yourself up in humility" gathering it around us like a coat to shut out the blighting winds of pride." What this phrase is saying: "it is performing selflessly an task God assigns, and bringing forth spiritual fruit."
Vincent’s Word Study puts it this way: "Put on and wrap yourselves about with humility, so that the covering of humility cannot possibly be stripped from you."
Remember as Jesus laid aside His outer garments and put on a towel to become a servant, so each of us should have a servant’s attitude and minister to each other.
Humility is not demeaning ourselves and thinking poorly of ourselves. It is simply not thinking of ourselves at all!
The idea is putting on as it were a coat of humility, and showing a yielding to another, in that you show support for the other person in their work for the Lord in the church.
Too many Christians want to think of themselves higher than others, but here Peter is saying just lie low, be humble. We are to think of ourselves in an attitude of humility, it is the quality of unpretentious behavior, a modest estimation of one’s abilities, without arrogance, even in our own mind we think modesty.

Here is the right attitude: Humility:
Inasmuch as we are small compared to God, this is the correct estimate of ourselves. The word indicates the esteeming one’s self as small or recognizing one’s insufficiency but at the same time recognizing the powerful sufficiency of God!
Acts 20:19; serving the Lord with all humility and with tears and with trials which came upon me 1through the plots of the Jews;
Eph 4:2; with all humility and gentleness, with patience, showing tolerance for one another in love,
Phil 2:3; Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind regard one another as more important than yourselves;
Col 2:18, 23; Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind, These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.

Vine’s (which I have used back in First Baptist Church, Altoona, Kansas) says:
that Humility" indicates, not a merely moral quality, but the subjection of self under the authority of, and in response to, the love of the Lord Jesus, and the power of the Holy Spirit to conform the believer to the character of Christ. In contrast to the world’s idea of being "poor-spirited" the Lord commends "the poor in spirit" Matthew 5:3

Humility was not thought of very highly in the ancient world (pun intended) and in fact was even considered to be a vice by the pagan moralists. Christ and Christianity elevated humility to the supreme virtue – the antidote for the self-love that poisons relationships.

Humility is not thinking poorly of oneself. Rather, it is having the proper estimate of oneself in the will of God. The person with humility thinks of others first and not of himself.

Humility, when it becomes self-conscious, ceases to have any value.

Jesus modeled the essence of humility which is being able to put others’ needs and desires ahead of one’s own Philippians 2:3-4).

MacArthur: The tension between Calvinism and the Gospel

MacArthur: The tension between Calvinism and the Gospel
well speaking of
and the perfect transition
of and and that
related to last night in your discussions about the atonement and the
question is if that’s true then why witness how do we tell people
God loves them and that Jesus Christ did not die for them or do we tell them that
well you tell them whatever the Bible tells you to tell them and the Bible
tells you to go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature and
that’s what you do because that’s what the scripture says any tension you have
between that and the nature of the atonement any tension you have between
that and the doctor and the divine election and predestination any tension
you feel in those areas
I feel I feel the same tension I asked the same question
I don’t know I don’t know that there’s some kind of quick answer to the
question I i am however happy to concede that God can resolve things that I can’t
I like grilled I I don’t expect of you and you shouldn’t expect me to be to be
able to unscrew the unscrew double you you really don’t think that I’m going to
solve all the vast theological dilemmas that have existed since the scriptures
were in actually some people do
yes that’s the best answer to this question is my brother I feel your pain
that is the best answer to that question I I’m not here to give you an answer but
I will tell you this i do not believe that Jesus died for nobody
I believe he died for somebody and I believe he died specifically for those
who would believe in him and those who believe in him are those who are
regenerated by the Holy Spirit based upon the eternal sovereign collecting
purpose of God i think is Tom it was an actual one not a potential one
I don’t think it was a general one I think it was a specific one I think was
a real death force in the issue here is the nature of the atonement forget the
dilemma you’re going to have the dilemma no matter what you do
the dilemma is why didn’t he send everybody to heaven that dilemma is why
is there hell
and why are people going there that if that is a legitimately difficult
question to ask the only answer I can give you is that if God purpose to do
that Romans 9 who are we to question his purpose if he gets glory from judgment
the way he gets glory from from salvation who are we to question it
the other issue is nobody goes to hell for any other reason than that they’re
guilty of sin and unbelief how that fits i don’t know but there are a lot of
things I don’t know
I’ve said this so many times I don’t even know how my own spiritual life
I don’t look Paul says in Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ nevertheless
I live yet not i he didn’t know either
I didn’t know
so you know if you have I see the question who lives your spirit who lives
your Christian life who lives your spiritual life who’s in charge of your
spiritual life
well some of some of us are gonna rise and say well it’s the Holy Spirit
I don’t really think you want to blame him and if it’s all the Holy Spirit what
are all the commands in the Bible about
and yet when when you when you know you you must obey and and and the spirit
must work in it it’s it’s the mystery of how that comes together it’s the same
issue in between the security to believe are held in the Father’s hand and the
necessity of perseverance of faith a persevering faith it’s the same issue is
that we have in the in the volitional aspects of salvation and the sovereign
aspects there there’s that there’s there’s a sort of a resolution
resolution in the in the center of that is known only in the mind of God but i
will not resolve the problem of the lost any other way than to do with the
scripture tells me to do and that is that the Bible of firms to me that God
loves the world the specific people in the world the specific human beings i
don’t know who they are
spurgeon said if you pull up their shirts and show me any stamped on the
back and I know the elect I’ll i limit my work to them but since there is no
such stamp i am committed to obey the command to preach the gospel to every
creature and I can say to them that the love of God has been expressed through
Jesus Christ death on the cross and you will know and experience that love if
you put your faith in Him
and if you don’t do that you’ll perish in your sins and Jesus said you will
perish in your sins because you believe not on me
I’m very comfortable to just take the biblical aspect but I don’t think it’s a
good solution to diminish the nature of the atonement and have Jesus dying for
if you say that he paid in full the penalty for all the sins of all the
world than what is anybody doing in hell
that’s double jeopardy that doesn’t work so people don’t want to say that so they
say well he died a potentially saving death in that sense he died for nobody
in particular and everybody in general and the sinner who is depraved is the
one who activates the potential atonement while that that’s impossible
so I I just don’t want to find the answer to the dilemma of of the death of
Christ by diminishing the nature of the atonement
it is a real death for those who died in him
that’s what the text says I lay down my life for my sheep and we looked at so
and it’s a good it’s a good question answer because you guys want to be very
careful in the tensions that are in this and it flows through every major
doctrine in scripture that connects the center with God
you don’t want to resolve that tension by asking philosophical questions you
always want to live in that tension by being obedient to Scripture
ok but i do feel your pain because I don’t have an answer to all those
questions and I’m i’m at times profoundly exercised over the the the
non resolution because i like to find the the resolution two things but the
issue on why witness you you wouldn’t suggest bringing up the the discussion
of the limitations of the atonement in in a witnessing context I think we have
to be careful what we say I think there are there are unlimited benefits tied
into the atonement
you can show in in the New Testament that you know it
the expression of God’s love in the atonement is the expression of the same
love that’s demonstrated in common grace
he reigns on the
you know it rains on the just and the unjust there’s there’s common grace
there’s a there’s a kindness of god there’s a even a salvation of God
demonstrated a temporal way he’s the savior of all men temporally physically
in this sense that the world is full of sinners who aren’t dead
what is that that God is saying to them
you don’t get what you deserve when you deserve it that’s my nature so that
demonstration is there for them to see temporally but especially of those who
believe he is the savior of them not temporally and not physically but
eternally and spiritually but he puts his saving nature on display even in the
gospel offer and in common grace and in the withholding of judgment and so I
think we can say to sinners that God is merciful and God is compassionate and
God calls you to repent and caused you to believe and he’s offered his son as a
sacrifice for those who do and I that’s the way i would say it