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I am the Pastor/Teacher of Rivers of Joy Baptist Church in Minford, Ohio since August 2008.  I am married to Charity since June 14, 1969.  I have four grown children.   Having served in the local church for over forty years as Pastor/Teacher, Asso., Youth Pastor, Minister of Education, Building Upkeep, Camp Director, Sunday School Teacher, etc. Also I have worked in the public place for as many years as I have preached. Charity and her sister are co owner of Union Mills Conf. (Bakery) in West Portsmouth Ohio

Romans 8 Suffering and G

From Suffering to Glory
18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.
1A     FOR
And as we are going to see all that the world and throw against us in trails and suffering, we are going to be strengthen in our faith, which is going to further give us the assurance  of our salvation..

Paul is going to say, and is saying, that in their suffering (the Christian believers in Rome) is  a proof that they are children of God, in that the sufferings are a proof that they are being prepared for the glory to which they will be taken.

For as in Acts 14:22 that in much tribulation that we must enter into the kingdom of God..
The point Paul, is that the ultimate end and object of salvation is our glorification.
We must remember that all those who are saved, are “in Christ” and as such are “united with Christ,” and therefore will be glorified “together with Him.
2A     I CONSIDER 3049  
Refers to a process of careful study or reasoning which results in the arriving at a conclusion. Signified “take account of : 2 Corinthians 10:7 “think” 

I have thought it over carefully- I have checked out the evidence and thus reasoned it to be so and even at the present time I continued to consider this over in my mind.

I have logically dealt with the methods of valid my thinking, and it has reveal to me the proper conclusions from the premises and is a prerequisite of all thoughts.

So the question would be: what Bibical truths would one think about that would lead them to concluse that suffering now is miner in comparison to glory in the future.?   How about verses like Matthew 5:11-12, Hebrews 11:25-26, 35; I Peter 1:6-7. Acts 20:24 and 2 Corinthians 4:17-18. 

3A     THAT THE SUFFERINGS: 3804  pathema
1.     that which one suffers or has suffered
a.      externally, a suffering, misfortune, calamity, evil, affliction
1.     of the sufferings of Christ
2.     also the afflictions which Christians must undergo in behalf of the same cause which Christ patiently endured
b.     of an inward state, an affliction, passion
2.     an enduring, undergoing, suffering
Here the suffering has to do with our faith in Christ, and Christ in us Who the world hates, and we suffer that we might be conformed to his image.

1.      2 Corinthians 4:7-12
2.      2 Corinthians 4:16-18
3.      I Peter 4:12-13
4.      Hebrews 12:11
5.      Revelation 2:10
6.      Hebrews 5:8
7.      James 1:2-4
8.      Hebrews 5:7-8
9.      Hebrews 12:14
10.   Revelation 2:10
11.   I Peter 1:6-7

The Process of how to temper steel:
To what purpose do we suffer?
1.      Galatians 6:8
2.      Romans 5:1-5
3.      2 Corinthians 1:3-7
4.      Acts 16:25-34
5.      Romans 8:28-29
6.      Romans 8:17-18
Suffering is ultimately the result of sin, from which will not be delivered until our Lord returns.
Every instance of suffering in our lives is not necessarily the direct result of our sin.
God has purposes for our suffering that man not be known to us in this life, but only in eternity
When viewed in the light of eternity our suffering seems bearable
Suffering may draw us near to God, while success and easy may do the opposite
When God uses suffering for his glory and our God He turns the curses into the cure.
No one has ever suffered more, than God’s son, in bringing about the only means of our salvation

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All of us must be tested and come thru the discipline of God.  That is how we are purified and made ready as a Bride.  Just saying some words about Jesus does not prepare us or pass the test of God.  We must suffer and this suffering may not seem pleasant yet if we keep our eyes focused on the prize of eternal life,  we will understand what is happening and when we yield our lives to God, we will find the peace that transcends all understanding. 
God has written His laws in our hearts and in our minds.  Jesus said that if we truly love Him, we will obey His commandments.  We prove ourselves and our faith as genuine by responding to the discipline of God.  That is how we endure and in turn are trained so we can teach others.  Keep in mind that God is in total control, even using the enemy to accomplish His perfect will.  The Lord uses events, people and even the enemy to implement the test of our faith.  We know that all things work for the greater good for those that love the Lord.