Every since I first heard John on tape back in 1972, the message was from Ephesians 4:12 I have learned from his ministry. Then starting in 1982 when I went to the Shepherd Conference, where there were only 200 preachers, I started to learn how to teach the Word of God.
I am still learning today, I am about 50% there I think. But I keep learning.
Of course been a pastor is more then teaching and preaching, its learning how to pastor a flock of people over a period of time. I still believe the best government of church ministry is found in the Grace Community Church where John is the pastor.
Its rather easy to read the manual on church ministry its a whole different ball game to put the principles into action.